And to have somebody step in and defend you is really meaningful. Can Picard go round the sun once more and rescue Saru from Discovery? And to be honest, she never really helped him out all that much. Probably some admirals cousin. Like maybe he would be way too codependent or something? Theres a difference between celebrating obesity and accepting individual human beings, treating them as human beings, and not targeting them specifically for emotional harassment. Not Mary Wisemans fault; the writers fault. As someone with severe and sometimes crippling anxiety whos managed to have a pretty successful high-pressure career, I question your assertion that she never would have graduated Starfleet., You clearly never served in a military environment. And saying they should be sending this message is just another way to try to bully someone into doing what you want, not what that person wants for their self. They just didnt do much with him. The problem is, very deep into his 80s, and theres still chatter about him playing the action hero. None of those thinks make a lick of sense. But my point was that she rarely conveyed anything useful or something that was not already obvious to all. 'Star Trek: Discovery' Season 4 Episode 13 Recap: A - TVLine Obesity and overweight are associated with health chronic issues by definition. It was a novelty in his first story and they turned it on its head when he got zapped and made super-smart, but most of the time hes very trying, especially when he gets thrown onto Voyager. She only graduated from SA herself at the end of season 1. Her character, Sylvia Tilly, has had plenty of opportunities to shine without giving anything away, and Wiseman has risen to the occasion. 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We have no information that Beyer consults in this show. It makes it quite American centric. By: TrekMovie.com Staff Gee, so some Trek fans can be @$$holes. In fact most of their fears and phobias were explored in various episodes. I LOVE the future! So smart in the Starfleet tradition. And its funny that you bring up needing constant therapy as a bad thing when a ton of real life people see a therapist on a regular basis. That promise was fulfilled in last weeks season finale, and Wiseman is talking about her return. Her empathic abilities work via viewscreens? Also, quite likely theyre pointing her towards a bigger role in their upcoming Academy show, when she does want the work of tv again. That sort of thing contributes to some pretty hardcore dysmorphia sure, they are famous and have luxuries and money so many of us dont, but hearing stories like how Carrie Fisher was told she should lose weight to be able to reprise Leia, or how Kumail Nanjani is scarily fixated on his physical appearance now is sad. Took time to reset the franchise. Watch as SFX makeup transforms Doug Jones into Saru for Star Trek: Discovery. CBS/Paramount+ For Wiseman's Tilly, the danger and near-loss of all the cadets, including Adira (Blu del Barrio) forces her. None of us are and its okay. If I was a public figure I would do zero social media, ignore the internet, cash my massive paychecks, sign autographs for real in-person fans I meet, and be so thankful Im not working in a grunt job making minimum wage. Tillys character arc was mishandled once they realized Mary Wiseman was cast (Marys a decade or more older than Tilly). But it looks like TG47 answered your question! Actually, the production team is not helping either. And it all happened OFF SCREEN! But it would seem to me that it might ought to be standard practice to have a Betazed on the bridge on all starships if those stills were so needed. Ill never forget when I, a woman of 160# at 58, healthy, deemed fit by military and bodyfat percentage indexes, approached the Credit Union one day, when the guy at the ATM finished his transaction, turned, saw me, and yelled Hey, fatass!. I wasnt complaining there were therapists on board. New episodes of Star Trek: Discovery premiere on Thursdays on CBS All Access in the U.S. and on CTV Sci-Fi Channel in Canada, where it's also available to stream on Crave. This week's episode raised concerns. You can absolutely argue that DISCO incorporates too much emotion with their characters (something I agree with to an extent), but I do appreciate how much more real these characters feel compared to past characters (especially in the early seasons of TNG). Is Tilly leaving Star Trek: Discovery? Mary Wiseman's fate - HITC I just dont remember if it was something I read years ago or if it was in an interview with Gene. Theres even a scene where she pretty much turns to the camera and says that shell stay till the very end. She served aboard the USS Discovery while still a cadet in 2256, later commissioned as an ensign . And, in that sense, it is okay to be used as it was above. Have to completely agree you T2. Overweight and obesity are not a matter of looks or body shape, and those who feel free to body-shame are off-side and frequently unkind. The writers may love the character, but they also appreciate that the actor is a real person who might want variety in their career. Now if it turns out, Burnham was being influenced by an alien entity or she has been given insight into the future which made it imperative that she rush Tilly into becoming the Number One, then I can accept it. Tilly is not a perfect officer. I have considered it and rejected it. DSC has a wonderful cast and a neat diverse set of characters. That does so much emotional damage to a personbut it also says a lot about those doing the body-shaming. David Ajala: Yeah, absolutely. Agreed. As you put it: I love how Disco has put the human back into the human experience. And I agree wholeheartedly. By existing? The fourth episode of the new season of Star Trek: Discovery ("All is Possible") arrived this morning and it has fans buzzing about Lt. Sylvia Tilly. Between Marys comments about how Tilly internalizes her experiences as acting First Officer and Captain and the fact that we see Gen Rhys in the big chair in one of the early production stills, does anyone think that Discovery might get Treks first regular series Asian First Officer? New episodes of Star Trek: Discovery premiere on Thursdays on CBS All Access in the U.S. and on CTV Sci-Fi Channel in Canada, where it's also available to stream on Crave. Lol. The immaturity of body shaming anyone is hateful and unacceptable. I dont read the same type of criticism for their male actors. 108 comments so far. Yes, she was a therapist that say patients in her office but her betazoid abilities aided Picard. And thats a healthy outlook. Where I live people compete on the merits. Someone with a lack of intelligence throws a race card at every debate. Han Van Sciver and Mary Wiseman in At the Wedding (Photo: Marc J. Franklin), Watch Wiseman and cast and crew talk about the season four finale. Thats just a matter of preference. Just underused. Everyone has their gifts. Where are they!? Ive read plenty of well-deserved criticism of the writing but to my knowledge, there has been no widespread criticism of STD acting or physical appearances. Harry wasnt annoying watching him was just sad :-D. Im glad for you that you didnt find him annoying. I believe we can thank Mack for helping the Showrunners and writers identify species that would work in Prodigy and for some deep cuts. In season one and early season two, I was finding it credible as a case of someone who had unresolved PTSD and was unmoored from the culture that had encouraged her to supress her trauma. Tilly's Discovery Season 4 Exit & Season 5 Future Explained This is a part of the reason people cant take to them, alongside their poorly written characters. I could watch Tilly all day! Shes responsible for her subordinates and to lead by example. Btw have you come across any good DS9 books about what happened to Sisko or the rest of the crew after the finale? It feels too 21st century specific as does Tillys. Star Trek: Discovery currently streams exclusively on Paramount+ in the U.S. After all, it DOES seem as though Tilly is gone from the crew for the time being. Tilly is Trekdom. Keep up with theStar Trek Universe at TrekMovie.com. So, hes likely a good fit for the Hageman brothers who say that they want to bring the Wrath of Khan feeling to the Prodigy audience. The U.S.S. In the season four finale Coming Home, Mary Wiseman returned as Lt. Tilly, now a Starfleet Academy leader working with cadets and Admiral Vance to coordinate the evacuation and defense of Earth on Federation HQ. But because of Discovery we have Lower Decks, Picard, Prodigy, Strange New Worlds, Short Treks, possibly Section 31 and the Academy show. Shaming is one thing. See more at the Paley Center for Media Arts' Star Trek: Discovery Fight for the Future exhibit in Los Angeles, now through July 7th. Shes one of the shows most divisive characters. Sorry for the delay in getting back to you. She is a real girl. Maybe its just me, but I dont really care about women or mens weight on TV shows, I dont care for negative comments on them by haters, but neither do I care for the actors/actresses making such a whiney big deal about it. but it looks like she did simply did it because she was her friend and room mate. In large part that is down to getting set in my ways with this franchise, so I have to temper my critiques with that knowledge. Promoting her to the first officer was stupid enough, but now shes leading at the Academy? Miss Wiseman F those fake Trekkies/Treksters keep acting your ass off. Thanks for the heads up about Beyer and the Voyager books. I truly do love this show, but Burnham and Tilly are so damn annoying. Also the writers, Erika Lipoldt and Bo Yeon Kim. How does Tillys scientific mind come into play in solving the crisis of the anomaly in season four? That is assuming the this Starfleet Academy show is set in the 32nd century. Mary Wiseman: I wish there maybe in the future theres room for some protective best friend/boyfriend energy. Just IMHO, because to each his (or her, or their) own! The 60s/70s are gone. And another way to look at it: at least its not another hour of tv taken by a reality show, right? The Trek Collective has a flowchart for the Litverse which is helpful. I hope were able to explore it because theres potential for great levity, but then also really important conversations to be had because when you care about someone you dont want to see them go through pain, and I can see completely how Tilly will be very protective of Michael Burnham. Tillys great contribution is that shes NOT that sort of superwoman most people can never be. I never felt that what has come before should define the franchise in the future. Cant believe some fans complain about character A or B or C. I am sorry, but the obsessive complaining about Sonequa/Michael or Mary/Tilly, for who they are, is so rude. No character like her would ever have graduated Starfleet. Smart doesnt mean competent. And honestlyKirk wouldnt last a week in a military environment. You know, like a psychotic murderer? She also revealed some of her inspirations for this version of Tilly: There is a little Azula from Avatar: The Last Airbender in there. Is Tilly (actress) pregnant or unwell?? - The Trek BBS And Id add she has a hero complex too always wants to save the day/galaxy/whathaveyou. Maybe Saru wont be on the ship as much but Im guessing they are going the same direction. This time, even if I wanted that, my body said: no were going to take some time here, we need to heal. And so, I find myself in this bigger, fuller body and it made me appreciate where I was before. However, I do struggle with popular media normalizing unhealthy weights whether over or underweight because they are health risks. She is perhaps, the most human character on the show. Regarding fans, tons of them love Tilly. Right! Everyone in the world do not look and act the same if it was for me, it would be a very boring uninterested world. It would make sense if you knew the story ;) Lets just say Jake did write his famous book a couple of years after the end of DS9, but in the years and decades ahead he went on to much bigger things and took his career and his life in a very different direction. Right? Im glad you figured out what works for you, but Im not cool with a Star Trek board in 2021 focusing on an actors weight or appearance, especially when its a man commenting on a womans weight. Having Tilly be one was justdumb. There is a wealth of other outlets for health and fitness information, that frankly are more dispassionate and factual than getting health and fitness info from celebrities. Mary Wiseman Talks Tilly's Future On 'Star Trek: Discovery' David Ajala: Legit, its still very palpable here. Neither she nor anyone else with common sense is celebrating obesity. The increasingly repeated notion that Discovery has saved the Trek franchise with emotion and humanity is dubious revisionist history. Sure, its not perfect, we all have a nitpick here and there, but as long as it has a message, it revolves around people, and some cool science stuff, its trek to me.